Alec Baldwin speaking at the 2016 San Diego Comic Con International, for "The Boss Baby", at the San Diego Convention Center in San Diego, California. / Photo by Gage Skidmore via Flickr

It was reported late last week that Actor Alec Baldwin was involved in an on set accident that killed one woman and wounded a man, since covering the original story there have been some major updates.

The gist of the original story is that Alec Baldwin, while on the set of his new film “Rust”, accidentally killed the director of photography, Halyna Hutchins, and wounded the Director, Joel Souza. It was confirmed at the time that Baldwin had been wielding what was referred to as a “prop gun” when this accident occurred. All staff on the set were cooperating with authorities and Alec Baldwin reached out to the family of the victim, Halyna Hutchins, to offer his condolences. 

This is the information that was originally part of the story, since its initial breaking there have been some major updates. 

One important piece of information that came up was that the gun that was used for the shot had been loaded with a single live round of ammunition. Initial reports had claimed that the gun had a blank and some reports claimed that the gun was loaded with a wax bullet. This information about the gun having been loaded with live ammunition was brought forward by  Anthony Pawluc, a member of a local production union. The production company behind “Rust” had initially said the incident involved blanks but the Sheriff’s office said that it was too early to determine what kind of ammunition was used. 

Brandon Lee was accidentally killed on the set of “The Crow” when part of a dummy round left the barrel of a gun, so it is possible that this is what happened here if the local production union has inaccurate information. 

Another piece of information that has since come forward is that Alec Baldwin was told that the firearm he was handling was safe. According to an affidavit signed by Detective Joel Cano of the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s office, an assistant director picked up one of three prop firearms on a table and handed it to Baldwin before saying “Cold Guns!”, this was supposed to indicate that the firearm was safe to handle and was not loaded. 

Possibly the most important piece of information to come up since initial reporting was that fact that the film’s Armorer was “inexperienced” and had previously had on-set mishaps.

It is being reported that Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer on the set of “Rust”, was inexperienced and had previously had a major mishap on another film. According to two separate sources, filming on Gutierrez-Reed’s last film was cut short after she handed an 11-year-old a gun without properly clearing it. One source also told The Daily Beast that Hannah Gutierrez-Reed “was a bit careless with the guns, waving it around every now and again.” This careless behavior was alleged to have happened on the set of “The Old Way” an upcoming Nicolas Cage film. 

It is also being reported that this was not the first time accidental discharges had happened on set. According to two separate individuals on the set of “Rust“, there were other crew members who were handed prop guns that went off on set, thankfully no one was killed in those incidents. 

Based on the current trajectory of how the media and production team is handling things, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed will be taking the bulk of the blame for this tragedy and could face serious legal trouble. This being said, more than Gutierrez-Reed is at fault for this incident. The assistant director that handed Alec Baldwin the gun should have cleared it, Alec Baldwin himself should have cleared the gun prior to the shot, and there should not have been any live ammunition on set to begin with. This incident was a total failure of all involved and should go to show the importance of knowing how to handle firearms in a safe manner.

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Martin Artale
Martin Artale
1 month ago

Too bad that jerk didn’t shoot himself with the “prop (?)” gun!

Phil in TX
Phil in TX
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin Artale

Amen to that. Ultimately, the first rule of gun safety was violated by several people on the set, but the ultimate fault lies with Baldwin, since he didn’t clear the gun himself as he should have if he follower the first rule.

Phil in TXX

Bemused Berserker
Bemused Berserker
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil in TX

Baldwin broke all 4 Rules of Gun Safety.

David Crounse
David Crounse
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin Artale

While I wouldn’t want anyone to get hurt with a gun, that would have been poetic justice if he had shot himself considering all the safety rules he broke. It’s a shame someone had to die but maybe it will lead to tightening safety requirements on movie sets. I’m sure that in addition to the investigation being conducted by the Santa Fe Co Sheriff’s office, the New Mexico OHSA is probably involved too. The sheriff and DA can deal with criminal issues but OSHA can levy big fines and make demand all kinds of safety protocols that would make it prohibitively expensive to continue filming. I doubt this movie will go any farther than it has and will probably end up collecting dust in some warehouse in Hollywood.

Old Soldier
Old Soldier
1 month ago

Baldwin is the individual responsible. It was his hand gripping the firearm, and his finger on the trigger. It was him who failed to “clear” the weapon and insure it was not loaded when it was handed to him. Total negligence on the part of Baldwin is why the person is dead, and another injured, though the others are also at fault as they handled it without clearing it, but Baldwin is the one ultimately responsible for the death and injury.

David Crounse
David Crounse
1 month ago
Reply to  Old Soldier

There are four basic safety rules of firearms.

  1. ALWAYS presume the gun is loaded.
  2. NEVER point the gun at anything (or anyone) you are not willing to destroy.
  3. NEVER put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
  4. ALWAYS know your target and what is beyond your target.

Baldwin violated at least two of those rules because he pointed the gun at someone he didn’t intend to kill and he presumed, without verifying, that the gun was unloaded or had blanks. When there are fight scenes in movies the camera is angled in such a way that the viewer can’t tell the punches don’t actually make contact so why didn’t they do the same thing with the gun scene?
Baldwin absolutely is responsible for this killing and should face criminal charges. Negligence is NOT and accident, it is a deliberate decision to ignore safety.

Bemused Berserker
Bemused Berserker
13 hours ago
Reply to  David Crounse

With a “on muzzle” shot, the gun pointed at the camera, the camera is supposed to be operated by remote, And the crew behind ballistic barriers, even for a blank.

Hollywood’s been using Single Action Army’ for a hundred years. They have guns built to fire their special blank that won’t chamber a conventional cartridge. The barrels have plugs with only a very narrow opening to allow smoke to come out of the muzzle. So why was there a need to have a fully functional reproduction gun even on the set?

Marlene
1 month ago

Now we will hear a lot more on gun control. Human error is to blame. All of these Hollyweird need to take a course on gun safety.

Boaz
1 month ago
Reply to  Marlene

They should take a course out of the country,

Ecks Mann
Ecks Mann
1 month ago

She was shot with a real bullet from a real gun. How it got there and why is good important information. Why anyone preparing to fire a gun at someone wouldn’t check for loaded is cause to show complete lack of firearm safety they all supposedly got.
The real problem is, Baldwin wasn’t part of the conversation the victum was having when shot. She was shot from about 20 ft away from the sparse details available. He didn’t drop the gun and have it go off. HE AIMED THE GUN AND PULLED THE TRIGGER! Gross criminal neglegence+dead person=Manslaughter 1. Plus he should be sued civilly by the victim’s family into perpetual poverty along with his 10 years minimum..

Jcatherine
Jcatherine
1 month ago

This entire story is deteriorating into a major cluster****, with the major players tripping all over themselves trying to blame anyone and everyone. Typical Hollywood lefties who are more than willing to create gun violence on screen..but totally ignorant about actual gun safety, and unwilling to learn. I hope they all burn in hell.

Bemused Berserker
Bemused Berserker
1 month ago

Ms. Reed supposedly learned the “ropes of Set Armorer” from her father (also an armorer), but it’s becoming obvious Dad neglected a few “ropes’s” in her training.
The fact that she had previously demonstrated failures on a prior movie, and then was still retained as a “Head Armorer,” makes me wonder if Hollywood has a board or similar body that governs armorers? If they don’t, then obviously such is needed, because this event shouldn’t have happened.

It’s ironic, that Baldwin, who has vilified the NRA for decades, would have benefitted from an NRA Gun Safety Course, because he broke all 4 of the cardinal rules of Gun Safety.

Boaz
1 month ago

He pointed the gun! How stupid can he be? He should be charged!! You don’t point a gun at anybody at anytime, ever!!

Jobert
Jobert
1 month ago
Reply to  Boaz

Boaz: My daddy taught me that the only time I would EVEN/EVER point a firearm at a person was to protect me and my family. Then make sure there was only one story to be told afterward. If it were to come down to his life or my life, I choose MY life. Regrets, yes that I had to take a life, BUT I and my family are still alive another day.

Ronald C Buxton
Ronald C Buxton
1 month ago

Details are still sketchy all around. If this was a “holstered” gun (in one report), then it would have been (according to the movie’s time period) a single-action revolver. For that to fire two things must first occur: the external hammer is pulled back, and the trigger is then pulled. My point? Alec Baldwin had to have done those two things prior to the discharge. And so, he wasn’t aiming it safely away from the camera person. Or was this supposed to be a close-up of the muzzle blast? That’s the only way that I could imagine this tragedy to have happened. Negligence all around. However, I am certain that if Alec Baldwin had known (rather than have ridiculed) the safe usage of a firearm this would not have happened!

Jobert
Jobert
1 month ago
  1. It’s lucky Baldwin even had the pistol correctly in his hand. BUT the big question, and there are three of them: 1-why was the gun NOT cleared; 2-why was the trigger finger on the trigger and 3-why was the firearm pointed at a person? As far as I am concerned there is ONE answer and ONE answer only: STUPIDITY on how to properly handle any firearm. As far as I am concerned, the person who put the firearm on the table was incompetent – not his/her fault, the person who handed Baldwin the firearm was incompetent – he didn’t clear the firearm before handing the firearm to Baldwin – second problem; and the most culpable of the all is BALDWIN himself. He didn’t know how to properly handle a firearm, just spout off as to why those who know how to handle firearms properly are bad, bad, bad people; Sorry for the death he caused and the wounding of the other person, but BALDWIN is TOTALLY AT FAULT. Three major violations: 1-didn’t clear the firearm HIMSELF, regardless what the person said who handed him the firearm, 2-AND he was completely STUPID putting his trigger finger on the firearm’s trigger and squeezing it causing the firearm to discharge and then to add insult: 3-the third violation was to point the firearm at ANY person while pulling the trigger causing death and injury. Choices have consequences. If you don’t know, ask someone who does. STU[IDITY REIGNS SUPREME HERE !!!!!
David Crounse
David Crounse
1 month ago
Reply to  Jobert

Stupidity, laziness, negligence and the biggest one of all-ASSUMPTION. You know what they say happens when you assume. I read that Baldwin was practicing drawing the gun and that’s when it went off so he violated the four basic rules of firearm safety.

  1. ALWAYS presume the gun is loaded.
  2. NEVER point the gun at anything (or anyone) you are not willing to destroy.
  3. NEVER put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
  4. ALWAYS know your target and what is beyond your target.

Baldwin, being the person operating the gun, should have checked the gun himself, then he should have pointed the gun in a safe direction while practicing his quick draw, then he should have kept his finger off the trigger. I know his spin doctors are working overtime to dump the responsibility onto the 22 year old armorer but at the end of the day it was Baldwin who was operating the gun when it went off and therefore he should suffer the brunt of the punishment.

Good Luck luck
1 month ago

WHY was Baldwin pointing the gun at Hutchins .

Guest
Guest
1 month ago

I heard Halyna parked in Alex Baldwins parking spot.

Gene Ralno
Gene Ralno
1 month ago

Timely lesson for all the new owners reacting to government reduction in law enforcement. Here are three lessons I was taught more than 70 years ago. First, every firearm is loaded. Secondly, never aim at anything you don’t intend to shoot. Thirdly, never touch the trigger until you’re ready to shoot.

An inexperienced armorer may take the blame but Baldwin broke all three of the most fundamental lessons in handling firearms. The basic fact here is this firearm precisely struck what it was pointed at. It was in Baldwin’s hand. It was Baldwin’s finger that pulled the trigger. Plenty of blame to go around.

Stephen Weiss
1 month ago

The ONLY person RESPONSIBLE for the shooting and death is Alex Baldwin. HE , and no one else, is the one ,who pointed the gun at her, and he and no one, else pulled the trigger.

When you have a gun in your hands you are totally responsible for what happens.

Saying somebody else did something or somebody else said something frankly is NOT RELEVANT…..you handle a gun, YOU check to see if it is loaded or not, you NEVER take anybody else’s word whether it is, and YOU who keeps
it pointed in a Safe direction….There was no scene being taken no part of the film, he was playing around with a gun.

Baldwin and certainly his legal team are looking to make this not his fault, because after all he’s a Liberal, Democrat Member of Hollywood…..know what? it doesn’t wash. He shot and killed that woman. Period. At a minimum it’s 2nd degree manslaughter.

Mark
Mark
1 month ago

Why do they have live ammo on the set. I can’t see How it would be used in a movie

David Crounse
David Crounse
1 month ago
Reply to  Mark

I read that those union crew members who walked off because of safety concerns had been using the guns for target shooting before they left. The set is on a ranch that’s pretty remote from what I’ve read so when people aren’t working they’ll find other things to occupy their time. It’s just a theory but I’d bet they didn’t check the guns to ensure they were clear before putting them back, then the armorer didn’t check them, then the assistant director didn’t check them, then Baldwin. Informed gun owners know you never assume the gun is empty nor do you take anyone else’s word for it; you always check it yourself. If anyone involved in handling those weapons had done a simple check they would have found the live round and at least notified the armorer but ultimately it was Baldwin who pointed the gun at people and pulled the trigger.

Patrick
1 month ago

Alec Baldwin is a raving lunatic and should never ab allowed to handle any firearm.

David Crounse
David Crounse
1 month ago

Baldwin should face the most serious trouble. Baldwin is the one who PULLED THE TRIGGER. The first rule of safe firearm handling is the person operating the firearm is responsible for safely operating it. He broke several rules that would have avoided this killing had he chosen to follow them. For that matter, he probably hadn’t even learned them, being that he hates guns so much. Always presume the gun is loaded until you (the operator) clear it. Never point a gun at anything or anyone you are not willing to destroy/kill. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire the gun. Always know what your target is and what is beyond it. If the camera person and director weren’t Baldwin’s target (I believe they were not) then he shouldn’t have been pointing the gun in their direction. The armorer and assistant director should get their hands slapped but Baldwin was the one acting irresponsible with the gun and that irresponsibility led to the death of a person and injury of another.

Budd
Budd
1 month ago

It’s hard to think that with all the “shootings” in movies (war, street gangs, police shoot outs with criminals, that there are not more of this! Yes, Baldwin should have cleared the gun but I saw on photo of Baldwin ‘shooting’ an semi-auto pistol instead of a revolver and I am not surprised that news/advertisers don’t know the difference!
Also, I count the number of “shots” fired from revolvers in western movies and people making the movies don’t realize that the old western six-shooter could only fire six shots before reloading! I’ve seen John Wayne movies where he shoots 10-15 shots in a sequence without ever reloading!

Wes Plantz
Wes Plantz
1 month ago

100% Alec Baldwin’s fault! My grandchildren are smart enough to always check to see if a gun is loaded for themselves, even if they are told it is unloaded, also anyone with half a brain knows not to point a gun at a person let alone to point a gun at a person and pull the trigger. Blaming the people who handle the gun is like blaming car salesmen who sold someone a car when that someone decides to drive recklessly and runs over and kills them.

Jawad
Jawad
1 month ago

Is it not ironic that an actor so consumed with scorn, hatred and negative emotions should kill someone, whether he intended to or not??

Bemused Berserker
Bemused Berserker
1 month ago

Ultimately, the entire Production Team is alleged as Criminally Negligent. Safety Protocols were absent, bypassed, or seriously violated by the Team, it appears in order to save money as it is a low budget production.

Ms. Reed’s credentials appear to only consist of being the child of an in demand Armorer, and that’s being generous. She’s now come out and her legal counsel is attempting to throw everyone else under the bus, but in all seriousness this girl is incompetent and even if she avoids criminal charges,, she needs to look for another career, because she’ll never work in Hollywood again. The Production’s Insurance Company will see to that.

In a just world, all three principals, Baldwin, Reed and Hall would be looking at Negligent Homicide charges.

Bemused Berserker
Bemused Berserker
16 days ago

Personally, I would agree that Reed bears a large part of the responsibility for what occurred. Obviously, she hasn’t the training required to do the job. She should never be used in the role of armorer ever again, regardless of who her Daddy is.. The whole Production Team (of which Baldwin was Exec Producer for) bears responsibility too. The Production Team failed to make Safety a priority.

Why was a fully functional SAA being used, let alone live ammunition being within a mile of the set? There are plenty of modified SAA Revolvers incapable of chambering live ammunition in the Prop Houses. Where were the ballistic panels used that protect the camera and crew whenever the muzzle of a blank firing gun is anywhere close to being within the muzzles path or why wasn’t the camera operated remotely?

No, there’s plenty of unanswered questions still.

Robert Taylor (DAV)
Robert Taylor (DAV)
14 days ago

Many people have had remarks about the weapon used and why he aimed it. Now we do not know about the script but everyone here has seen close-up shots of the western hero up close and from in front of the gun as it is pointed at the audience. We also do not know if the screen shot was to show the gun being cocked and the bullet cylinder turning with the round shown in the gun. Maybe there are things the news media have not shared or do not know. So, while I reserve judgement I do think all movie guns should be rendered unable to fire a round of any type but personal gun safety by an actor (especially the main star) cannot be expected. They are just too used to being pampered.

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